Hi, I'm your host Lou Miranda. I run the Greann.com web site, where students can come together in a friendly, non-threatening environment to learn the Irish language.
We're going to start off the first podcast with a blog entry that pretty much duplicates the podcast exactly. (You can go to http://blog.greann.com to see the blog entry.)
Why have a blog and podcast that are exactlly the same thing? Well the blog allows you to see things about what I'm saying that you can't see through your MP3 player (since it's just audio), like what a "fada" looks like; and the podcast allows you to hear things that you can't hear on my blog (since it's just text), like what "á" sounds like.
OK, let's get started.
Modern Irish has the following letters:
A B C D E F G H I L M N O P R S T U
Note that J, K, Q, V, W, X, Y, and Z do not exist, except in borrowed words.
Consonants
The consonants are--more or less--pronounced as they are in English. Not exactly, of course, and there are other mitigating factors: an effect called "lenition" changes the sound of many Irish consonants, and the concept of slender and broad consonants/vowels can change how consonants are pronounced.
But for your 2 minute first lesson in Irish, making them sound like English consonants is good enough.
(Oh, and the Irish 'C' is always like an English "hard C"--you never pronounce "Celtic" like "Seltic", it's always pronounced like "Keltic", so don't let the basketball team fool you with their idiotic pronunciation.)
Vowels
Vowels can appear two ways in Irish: unadorned (like in English: a, e, i, o, u) or with "accents" on them, called "fada"s in Irish: á, é, í, ó, ú. Pronuncation is as follows (listen to the podcast to hear them spoken):
a: ahhh
á: awww (rhymes with saw)
e: eh
é: ayyyy (rhymes with day)
i: ih
í: eee (rhymes with tree)
o: oh (with a short 'o')
ó: oh (with a long 'o'; rhymes with sew)
u: uh
ú: ooo (rhymes with Sue)
Conclusion
OK, so this is a vast oversimplification of Irish pronunciation, but it's a good start for the few minutes we've spent on it so far. If you have an opportunity to meet with other Irish speakers or students in your area, I'd highly recommend it. There are many locations around the USA (and around the world) that have groups of people who come together to teach each other Irish. Do a web search or leave a message on our forum (at http://forums.greann.com) to try to find a group near you.
That's it for now. See you next week!
Sunday, March 18, 2007
Monday, March 12, 2007
Books for learning Irish
If you're in the US, and you're taking classes at any of the regional Irish language groups*, you're probably using one or both of Buntús Cainte and/or Progress in Irish. The latter is often affectionately abbreviated as PII, while the former is known as BC to those "in the know". :-)
You will soon develop a love/hate relationship with these books.
The good news is they're cheap and widely available. Well, as widely available as Irish language books get in the US. And now that shipping rates have dramatically increased, and we saw--with great sorrow--the tragic closing of Irish Books & Media this year, they may become more expensive.
The bad news is they were written for Irish schoolchildren many years ago. As in 40 or 50 years ago. (Anyone know their exact publication date?--there's no copyright notice in either book.)
If the first words you want to learn in Irish are boy, girl, playing, pounds (as in currency), married, prayers, cows, or addressing elders via "Dia dhuit", well then those are the books for you.
This is all very quaint and rural 1950's-ish "Ozzy and Harriet"-esqe, but we're adults and c'mon it's 2007!
Nary a mention of the Euro currency, iPods (or even the Walkman, LOL), Irish government agencies (most Americans--even those of Irish descent--know little of how Irish government works in general, and how the Gaeltachts work specifically), radio or TV programs, divorce, partner/significant other, kids you have, girlfriend or boyfriend, clubs, rock/pop/trad/world music/groups/performers, driving to work (or taking the bus), apartments, condos, finance, sports, cooking/restaurants, or most other things that modern adults would talk about if they were in a social setting.
The Internet provides tons of ways of learning Irish--everything from Beo to Lá to Gaelport to TG4 to RnaG--but you can't get one paragraph through most stories without encountering some political body or committee or organization in Ireland. PII and BC give you no clue as to how to navigate through this uncharted territory.
In class, we try to come up with "Cén scéal?" ("What's the story/new with you?"). But our books (other than basic verbs) provide almost no vocabulary to work with.
Who wants to talk about boys and girls playing at school? The way to incorporate Irish into your daily life (which, IMHO, is the only way to successfully learn Irish), is to use it in the context of your daily life. PII and BC do not provide the tools for that.
They have lots of other problems (no background material, no pronunciation guides, no descriptive text of what it is you're learning, etc.). These problems are ameliorated by your local Irish group (if, like me, you're lucky enough to have one) or excellent resources like Cionaodh's and Larry's Yahoo groups for the two books.
Sure, PII and BC are cheap. But that's about all they have going for them.
There are other books and resources out there, but no one seems to agree on using them. They're either too basic or too advanced or too tied to a particular dialect or too expensive.
I'm currently working with a Wednesday Night Study group locally to try to ameliorate these problems, in the hope of coming out with a relevant Podcast and--maybe someday--a new book on Irish for American adults. (Which reminds me--another problem with those books is British grammar [no one in America says 'should' unless they're implying some sort of compulsion], British spelling, and British vocabulary [the only chemists in the USA work for chemical industries, not pharmacies, LOL]).
So, if you join a group--either online or live, in person, locally--don't be shocked and disgruntled when you see your new textbook is PII and/or BC. For the time being, you'll have to get used to it. Maybe someday there'll be a new book that's widely used, but for now you're stuck with these two.
If you have any thoughts (or rants!) about what is good or bad about PII and BC, leave a note below. It could be instructive for all of us.
*--I, myself, am in Gaeltacht Minnesota, and I know there are very active groups in Massachusetts & New York among other places.
You will soon develop a love/hate relationship with these books.
The good news is they're cheap and widely available. Well, as widely available as Irish language books get in the US. And now that shipping rates have dramatically increased, and we saw--with great sorrow--the tragic closing of Irish Books & Media this year, they may become more expensive.
The bad news is they were written for Irish schoolchildren many years ago. As in 40 or 50 years ago. (Anyone know their exact publication date?--there's no copyright notice in either book.)
If the first words you want to learn in Irish are boy, girl, playing, pounds (as in currency), married, prayers, cows, or addressing elders via "Dia dhuit", well then those are the books for you.
This is all very quaint and rural 1950's-ish "Ozzy and Harriet"-esqe, but we're adults and c'mon it's 2007!
Nary a mention of the Euro currency, iPods (or even the Walkman, LOL), Irish government agencies (most Americans--even those of Irish descent--know little of how Irish government works in general, and how the Gaeltachts work specifically), radio or TV programs, divorce, partner/significant other, kids you have, girlfriend or boyfriend, clubs, rock/pop/trad/world music/groups/performers, driving to work (or taking the bus), apartments, condos, finance, sports, cooking/restaurants, or most other things that modern adults would talk about if they were in a social setting.
The Internet provides tons of ways of learning Irish--everything from Beo to Lá to Gaelport to TG4 to RnaG--but you can't get one paragraph through most stories without encountering some political body or committee or organization in Ireland. PII and BC give you no clue as to how to navigate through this uncharted territory.
In class, we try to come up with "Cén scéal?" ("What's the story/new with you?"). But our books (other than basic verbs) provide almost no vocabulary to work with.
Who wants to talk about boys and girls playing at school? The way to incorporate Irish into your daily life (which, IMHO, is the only way to successfully learn Irish), is to use it in the context of your daily life. PII and BC do not provide the tools for that.
They have lots of other problems (no background material, no pronunciation guides, no descriptive text of what it is you're learning, etc.). These problems are ameliorated by your local Irish group (if, like me, you're lucky enough to have one) or excellent resources like Cionaodh's and Larry's Yahoo groups for the two books.
Sure, PII and BC are cheap. But that's about all they have going for them.
There are other books and resources out there, but no one seems to agree on using them. They're either too basic or too advanced or too tied to a particular dialect or too expensive.
I'm currently working with a Wednesday Night Study group locally to try to ameliorate these problems, in the hope of coming out with a relevant Podcast and--maybe someday--a new book on Irish for American adults. (Which reminds me--another problem with those books is British grammar [no one in America says 'should' unless they're implying some sort of compulsion], British spelling, and British vocabulary [the only chemists in the USA work for chemical industries, not pharmacies, LOL]).
So, if you join a group--either online or live, in person, locally--don't be shocked and disgruntled when you see your new textbook is PII and/or BC. For the time being, you'll have to get used to it. Maybe someday there'll be a new book that's widely used, but for now you're stuck with these two.
If you have any thoughts (or rants!) about what is good or bad about PII and BC, leave a note below. It could be instructive for all of us.
*--I, myself, am in Gaeltacht Minnesota, and I know there are very active groups in Massachusetts & New York among other places.
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